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Form Bots Foiled!

Sunday, October 2nd, 2005

I made a few changes to the form users fill in to review mountain bike trails on singletracks last night. This morning I awoke to reviews filled in by “porn bots” full of links and h1 text all over the place. I was a bit annoyed and surprised since we’ve NEVER had form bots successfully post to our site. I initially figured it was just a fluke and I modified the review processing scripts to reject HTML tags.

After receiving more spam form fills throughout the day it just hit me: form bots can’t use pull down menus! Our previous review form (before I modified it last night) required users to select their state of residence from a select pull down menu. The form would return an error if a user failed to select a state and would not post the review.

So it seems that instead of attempting to install a sophisticated captcha scheme to prevent form bots, one can simply have a required pull down menu for users to select (almost like the Yes/No button you have to push when swiping your credit card at the grocery store to verify the charge amount). Are you a real person (yes or no). If yes, your review will be posted.

Seems so simple, I’m surprised these bots aren’t sophisticated enough to just pick an option from a menu (any option, doesn’t matter). Hopefully this post doesn’t give form bot writers any ideas…

Anyway, I put the state pulldown requirement back on the site for now, even though the data collected will not be displayed. You can take a look at a sample form here:

http://www.singletracks.com/php/review.php?id=558

Guerilla Marketing, Shopping Engines, and Entrepreneurship Perspectives

Sunday, October 2nd, 2005

I went to a presentation at the Engineering School featuring “serial entrepreneur” Scot Wingo, currently the CEO of ChannelAdvisor. He talked mostly about his background and the about the software businesses he has grown and sold in the past. I really enjoyed the presentation because Scot started out as an engineer doesn’t have sort of the “typical” business background.

One of the most interesting things Scot talked about was the emergence of major internet channels that control the way consumers find retail sites and make purchases online. Scot claims that roughly 80% of consumers come through one of three channels:

1. Search engines. This one is probably the biggest (I’m guessing) and probably includes both natural and paid search. It would be interesting to see how important natural search is compared to paid search for specific retailers and specific search engines (Yahoo! probably refers more paid leads than natural search leads, for example).

2. Shopping engines. These are sites like Shopping.com, BizRate, Yahoo! Shopping, Froogle, and others. I actually did some strategic analysis and research on shopping engines during my (unpaid) internship at ChannelAdvisor and I came to the conclusion that these guys have a pretty shaky business model at best (guess Scot didn’t get to read my report!). I came across a report about Google temporarily blocking one of the shopping engine sites (I think Shopping.com?) from the search engine due to a dispute of some sort. This is tough because shopping engines get most of their traffic from search engines but they’re also competing with the search engines’ own shopping services (Froogle anyone?). The other thing to note is that shopping engines are essentially performing paid search arbitrage. They buy clicks on search engines and then resell those clicks to retailers on their own site. It’s only a matter of time before retailers cut out the middle man and advertise directly and exclusively on search engines. Paid search just needs to become a bit easier to manage before this happens.

3. Marketplaces. eBay, Amazon, Overstock, et al are the big marketplaces online today and they are becoming more and more important in driving sales to online retailers. This is the area where ChannelAdvisor really shines today, and in fact this is where things all got started.

Scot also talked about some of the guerilla marketing his companies have done and the stories he had were pretty entertaining. Most of the things were pretty simple but they were things that I personally would have thought twice about doing since some of the campaigns were mildly destructive and/or illegal. I would love to slap singletracks.com bumper stickers on mountain bike trail signs but that seems a bit tacky and/or destructive. This, however, would be something Scot and his team would have NO PROBLEM doing.

Another interesting comment Scot made was regarding his choice of staring a business in the Research Triangle (Raleigh / Durham / Chapel Hill) instead of Silicon Valley with all the other tech companies. Scot said he felt like the Triangle keeps his company more grounded and insulates them from chasing the e-commerce “flavor of the week” that many valley companies tend to follow (example he gave included tagging and social networking).

Finally, the biggest thing I got from Scot’s talk was that starting a business is all about just doing something. Alot of the things I’m learning at Fuqua focus on the analysis portion of making decisions but Scot warned against analysis paralysis when starting a business. His experience has been that it’s best to just get started and make mistakes so you can learn by doing rather than spending alot of time and money just figuring out the best way to do something (which may end up being wrong anyway). I also appreciated his ability to do things without really worrying about the outcome, (like his guerilla marketing tactics) a lesson that many entrepreneurs can use.